KAMCHATKA
UPDATE
Ken
Achenbach
604-938-9982
ken@coolidentity.com
Tom
Brady
Tbrady@Oneill.com
Jeff
Flindt
Mark
Healey
Bob
Hurley
Brock
Little
Keith
Malloy
Andrew
McLester
Perry
Miller
Anthony
Ruffo
Mike
Schillmoeller
July
21, 2001
Gentlemen
We
have less than a month before that Magadan Flight leaves from
Anchorage to Kamchatka. There are some details to be taken care
of.
Here's
the latest.
WHO'S
GOING, OR NOT
1.
Brock Little is very interested, but if Hollywood calls with
a juicy stunt-work offer, he'll have to take it, and won't be
going.
2.
Anthony Ruffo is keen as a pissant, and he is working on his
sponsors. He's going. ñI'm going to mack a Russian chick, just
to say I did it.î
3.
Perry Miller was also keen as a pissant to go, until he remembered
his band has a gig in Carmel on August 21. If he bails out on
this trip-of-a-lifetime for one night of music, I'm going to
have him assassinated.
4.
Perry Miller has a friend, ??? ????, who is a pilot for Alaskan
Air who might want to go (see below).
5.
I've invited photographer Jeff Flindt to go, but haven't heard
from him.
6.
Keith Malloy is keen as a pissant, too. He's going.
7.
Mark Healey is a kamikaze kid from Hawaii who is also interested
in going.
8.
Ken Achenbach is a snowboard photographer who is always up for
an adventure, and might be able to use his Frequent Flyer miles
to get free tickets on Alaskan.
9.
I'm going, if it happens. I want to catch a steelhead.
INSPIRATIONAL
IMAGES OF KAMCHATKA AND THE TIDAL BORE
If
you want to get jazzed on this trip, go to this link:
http://www.diveworld.com/russia/
kam/coast.htm.
Look at the second photo down. That was what got me fired back
up on Kamchatka. I don't know where that stretch of coast is.
It may even be on the Sea of Okhotsk, on the west side of the
peninsula, but I don't care. That is what Kamchatka is all about:
absolutely virgin wilderness, with rivers full of salmon and
steelhead, and surf potential.
If
you want to read all about and see the Turnagain Arm Tidal Bore,
check out this link: http://boreridersclub.tripod.com/
Turnagain.html
I
see a left shoulder.
I
see Ruffo and Keith Malloy going looney, for a mile or more.
I
see a bit of history being made.
I
see everyone we know watching it on CNN.
AIRFARES
FROM CALIFORNIA TO ANCHORAGE
First
thing to worry about is airfares and flights to Anchorage. I'm
hoping everyone will arrive there on Wednesday, August 16, which
will give us two full days for the assault on the Turnagain
Arm Tidal Bore before we leave from Anchorage at 6:00 in the
morning on Sunday, August 19.
I
called Alaska Airlines this morning and got the following information.
SAN
FRANCISCO TO ANCHORAGE ON ALASKAN
Flight
105, leaving San Francisco at 12:37 PM on Wednesday, August
16 and arriving Anchorage 16:33 on Wednesday, August 16
ANCHORAGE
TO SAN FRANCISCO ON ALASKAN
Flight
102, leaving Anchorage at 10:34 on Monday, September 3 and arriving
San Francisco 22:22 on Monday, September 3.
Total
cost for San Francisco to Anchorage roundtrip is $480.95
ORANGE
COUNTY TO ANCHORAGE ON ALASKAN
Flight
591 leaves Orange County at 8:39 AM on Wednesday, August 16
and stops in Seattle at 12:26. Connecting flight is Alaskan
Flight 107 which leaves Seattle at 13:11 and arrives Anchorage
at 15:48 on Wednesday, August 16.
ANCHORAGE
TO ORANGE COUNTY ON ALASKAN
Flight
96 leaves Anchorage at 14:36 on Monday, September 3 and arrives
in Seattle at 18:55 PM on September 3. Flight 424 leaves Seattle
at 19:40 on September 3 and arrives at Orange County at 22:19
on September 3.
Total
coast for Orange County to Anchorage roundtrip is $514.31
Continental:
800-525-0280
Northwest:
800-225-2525
Hawaiian
Air: 800-367-5320
HONOLULU
TO ANCHORAGE OF CONTINENTAL/ALASKAN
Flight
5946 leaves Honolulu at 20:45 on Tuesday, August 14 and arrives
in Seattle at 5:14 AM on Wednesday August 16. Alaskan Airline
Flight 95 leaves Seattle at 7:55 AM on Wednesday August 16 and
arrives in Anchorage at 10:30 AM on Wednesday the 16th.
ANCHORAGE
TO HONOLULU ON CONTINENTAL/ALASKAN
Alaskan
Flight 132 leaves Anchorage 1:50 AM on Monday, September 3 and
arrives Seattle at 6:05 on Monday, September 3. Continental
Flight 5925 leaves Seattle at 8:20 AM on September 3 and arrives
Honolulu at 10:59 AM on September 3.
Total
cost for roundtrip on Continental/Alaskan is $1002.16
HONOLULU
TO ANCHORAGE ON NORTHWEST/ALASKAN
Northwest
Flight 946 leaves Honolulu at 21:00 on Tuesday, August 15 and
arrives Seattle at 5:14 AM on Wednesday August 16. Alaskan Flight
4081 leaves Seattle at 6:10 AM on Wednesday, August 16 and arrives
Anchorage at 8:45 AM on Wednesday, August 16.
ANCHORAGE
TO HONOLULU ON NORTHWEST/ALASKAN
Alaskan
Flight 4132 leaves Anchorage at 1:50 AM on Monday September
3 and arrives Seattle at 6:05 AM on Monday, September 3. Northwest
Flight 925 leaves Seattle at 8:20 AM on Monday. September 3
and arrives Honolulu at 10:59 AM on Monday, September 3.
Total
cost for roundtrip airfare on Northwest/Alaskan is $1020.12.
If two people are traveling (Brock and Healey), there will be
a lower fare for the second person of $629.12. Need a 14-day
advance purchase. Price based on availability.
GETTING
DEALS ON AIRFARES, MAYBE
Perry
Miller may be able to get some free Alaska Airlines roundtrip
tickets on standby from his friend who is a pilot for Alaskan.
The
more the merrier, I say, because every $500 saved is an hour
of flying time earned on an Mi-8 helicopter.
Also,
Perry Miller's pilot friend might want to go on the trip. Again,
the more the merrier. Those Mi-8's can take as many as 20 people.
I figure 10 people and all our gear will be the same as 20.
And it's going to be lonely where we're going. We may even need
people to sit bear guard, believe it or not. I'm more worried
about animals than people on our trip. Where we're going, there's
a lot more of the former than the latter.
And
it's always good to have another pilot around, just in case.
Apparently this guy can fix anything with wings or propeller.
Also,
today I met a snowboard photographer named Ken Achenbach who
will find out on Monday whether or not he is going to be awarded
1.2 million frequent flyer miles-on Alaskan. This guy is an
adventurer and when I showed him the Kamchatka beach photo and
the tidal bore photo he said, ñI'm in.î
He
might be able to use his Frequent Flyer miles to get us some
tickets. Each roundtrip will cost him 35,000 miles. All the
restricted, 20,000 mile seats are gone, damnit.
Achenbach
also has pro camera equipment, a Nikon T 90 and EOS 1 with his
biggest lens a 200 mm. Never hurts to have more than one photographer
on a shoot. When Jeff is in the water, Ken is shooting from
land.
I
wonder if Jeff shoots Nikon or Canon, and will he mind another
photographer on the trip?
Achenbach
is on the list.
So,
there area few things in the air (so to speak) regarding Alaska
Airlines, but the sooner we know how we're going to get the
tickets, the sooner we can book them. I'm hoping everyone can
get up there on Thursday, which will leave us Friday and Saturday
to do the bore.
THE
TIDAL BORE
I
can pick up everyone at the airport and shuttle them to Girdwood,
Alaska, where we will probably get a hotel and wait for the
world-famous Turnagain Arm Tidal Bore to show up.
I'm
going to call some friends of Scott Liska, the guy who runs
Alaskan Surf Adventures. He knows guys who ride the bore all
the time, and I'm going to call to get some idea of how big
the bore will be on those days, and also see if we can hire
a chase boat.
I'm
hoping we can get an inflatable or a PWC that will allow us
to pick guys up who fall, or chase the wave as it backs off
and reforms. We're going for distance more than size on this
thing.
The
most extreme tide is on Monday the 20th:
High tide of 33.2 at 8:41 AM.
Low
tide of -4.9 at 3:49 PM.
High
tide of 31.8 at 9:24 PM.
Since
the flight to Kamchatka leaves on Sunday the 19th, we should
try to get the bore on Friday or Saturday.
The
tidal range is almost as extreme on Saturday:
High
tide of 31.3 at 7:03 AM
Low
tide of -3.7 at 15:06
High
tide of 31.1 at 20:46.
I've
sent e-mails to CNN and local news stations to see if they are
interested in filming it. CNN likes the weird surfing stuff.
Could
be fun. Not sure when the bore comes through between peak low
and peak high, but I'll be there a few days before and will
try to figure it out.
MAGADAN
AIRLINES
Still
haven't heard from Mr. Melnik from Magadan Airlines about getting
a price break on our tickets. We probably won't, but you never
know.
I'm
trying to get Evan to front me the full price of the tickets
(6 X $1312.80) so I can pay them right away, then have everyone
on the trip give me the cash when we meet in Alaska. Evan was
resisting that, but it's the best way.
I'll
let you know what happens. If you want to call Magadan and reserve
your ticket (or all the tickets, be a hero) with a credit card,
the number is: 907-248-2994.
The
woman who answers the phone is named, of course, Natasha. Check
out her voice. Rrrooowwww.
I
also need to talk to Magadan about baggage and surfboards. I'd
hate to get to the airport and find out they don't take surfboards.
VISAS
We
need to get the Visa thing going. I have some of the applications
left over from last year, but they're pretty faded.
There
is a Russian consulate in San Francisco. It's a cheery place
with blacked-out windows and video cameras and happy, smiling
people. Not.
You
can also download a copy of the Visa application by going to
this address:
http://www.russianvisasonline.com/
applonline.html
Here
is what the Tour International website
(www.tourinternational.com/visa/russia.html) said was required
for a Visa application:
In
order to obtain Russian visa the following documents are required:
1. A completed visa application form (one per person). The form
can be xerox-copied. Fax copies of forms (on thin fax paper)
are not accepted.
2. A xerox-copy of vital pages of a passport or any other travel
document with personal data of the bearer. ("GREEN CARDS" i.e.
"RESIDENT ALIEN CARDS" are not valid for entry into Russia).
Diplomatic passport holders should submit the original passport.
1. Three (3) recent professional identical passport size pictures
of an applicant. Diplomatic passport holders should submit only
one picture. Pictures can be black-and-white or color, preferably
on mat paper. Please don't put just processed photographs on
top of one another - can stick together and will be unacceptable!
If you want to sign the pictures on the back, please make sure
the ink is dry before you put the pictures together.
3. A copy of the confirmation from a travel agency in Russia
(Tour International can provide). For visitor's visa a private
invitation processed through a local OVIR office in Russia is
required. Please note that the Consulate General of Russia does
not issue visas to any republics of the former USSR. Please
apply to their respective Embassies/Consulates in the USA.
4. HIV Test (AIDS) Certificate for those who are going to get
a visa which is valid for more than 3 months.
I
believe the processing fee is $40 if it's done with 12 days
or more notice. We have plenty of time, but need to get it started.
SENDING
THE APPLICATION FORM TO WILDRUSSIA ADVENTURES.
I
guess the only thing holding up the Visa process is obtaining
the Letter of Introduction from our guides/hosts. We each need
to fill out the form below and fax it to them, with a passport
photocopy, before they can send us the confirmation.
All
three pages of the form are pasted below. Print them, fill them
out and fax them ASAP, with a photocopy of your passport pages
with photo, name, passport number and other information to:
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Don't
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EQUIPMENT
CAMPING
We're going to be camping and it'll probably be cold and it
might get wet, so everyone should bring a sleeping bag and cushion
roll and a tent with a good waterproof fly on it. I have an
extra tent with me that might be useful for someone, although
I don't know how good it is.
COOKING
I have a two-burner cook stove that is kind of bulky, but it
will work. I'll bring at least 10 cans of propane, if they allow
them on the plane, which they might not and maybe they shouldn't.
I've
seen some pretty cool, one-burner stoves that might come in
handy. If there are eight or 10 of us, we'll need more than
one stove. I think we'll be drinking a lot of coffee.
I
have one small, blue cook pot, one big spoon, one large frying
pan and one blue bowl. Works for me. But that won't work for
all of us.
We'll
need a few more cooking pots and pans and spoons and knives,
most likely.
Everyone
bring their own plates and eating utensils. I have a large collection
of coffee mugs.
FOOD
I have no idea what kind of food the Kamchatka grocery stores
will offer, although I'm looking forward to some caviar omelets
for breakfast.
I'm
going to bring lots of oatmeal and canned pineapple and walnut/cashew/coconut
gorp for my favorite breakfast.
I'll
bring a lot of it because as my momma used to sing to me:
ñOatmeal
for breakfast, without a doubt. Good going in. Better coming
out.î
I'm
also going to bring my Brooke Johnson-approved kit for cooking
salmon: Lite soy sauce, ginger, garlic and orange juice. We
maybe eating salmon a few hours out of the river, over the fire,
and there is nothing better than salmon marinated with the above
ingredients.
I
also bought some utensils for cooking hamburgers and hot dogs
and such over an open fire.
CLOTHING
It could get cold, as this is the east side of a large continent
and we'll be at about the same latitude as the Aleutians, going
into September. Being near the ocean should moderate things
a bit, but we should all be prepared.
Bring
warm clothes. Big coats, thermals, lots of socks. Extra pairs
of pants.
Think
warm.
SURFING
EQUIPMENT
No idea what kind of surf we'll be finding or how cold the water
will be or what kind of critters will be stepping over or around.
No idea whatsoever.
Bring
good wetsuits. This place can't be any colder than Norway was,
or we'll be needing ice-skates. Whatever the best wetsuit your
sponsor makes, bring it: Hoods, booties, gloves. Extra suits,
if you have them.
FISHING
EQUIPMENT
Whether or not there is any surf in Kamchatka, I know it has
some of the best salmon, steelhead and trout fishing in the
world. I talked to a lady who said she'd never go steelhead
fishing in Kamchatka again because it's ñToo easy.î
I'm
bringing a 14-foot spey fly-fishing rod, a smaller steelhead
fly-rod, my trout rod and a spinning rod. I'll have a fly vest
full of gear-fly and bait. I have a pair of wading sandals and
a new pair of non-wading boots.
I'm
hoping to get some boots and waders and a vest from Patagonia.
If
you want to gear up for fishing and don't want to do the fly
thing, just buy a good-quality, sturdy rod and reel that can
handle a 20-pound steelhead. You might want to get some steelhead
hooks and plastic spinner lures and ñbouncing bettyî weights.
Go to any good fishing store, tell them you're going to Kamchatka
and you're going after monster steelhead and salmon. They'll
get jealous, then they'll show you the way.
You
might consider getting felt bottoms for your boots, if they
are waterproof. Felt works like magic for wading rivers. We
don't want any broken ankles.
WEAPONS
I doubt they'll let us bring in guns, but hopefully we can pick
up some good, used Kalishnikovs or SKS' for cheap. I'm not kidding.
If we're going out in the boonies, guns are going to be required.
Kamchatka has the largest bear population in Asia, and I know
from reading the Journals of Lewis and Clark that bear that
have not been around humans much tend to not be afraid of them.
A Japanese photog was bagged out of his sleeping bag a few years
ago by a bear and eaten. We don't want that now, do we?
SWAG
We want to show up there like Santa Claus, with baskets full
of goodies for all the good boys and girls and Generals and
helicopter pilots and customs officials and guides, etc.
Bring
it: shirts, shorts, jackets, watches, sunglasses, stickers,
key-chains, pins. Stuff from your sponsors, and used stuff you
don't need anymore. I'm told Russians like good American equipment:
Leathermen, knives, etc. etc.
Sunglasses:
Smith Optics is sending me some good polarized sunglasses to
give away to helicopter pilots and such. If you have a sunglass
sponsor, hit them up. A pair of sunglasses to a customs officer
could make a morning go by much faster.
Videos:
If you appear in any surf videos, bring them along. We might
be giving demonstrations to schoolkids or military officials.
Who knows?
DVDs:
My computer has a big screen and plays DVD's. I'm bringing a
couple dozen titles, but if anyone has any Russia-related titles,
bring them:
Hunt
for Red October
Reds
That recent Russian sniper movie.
The Russia House
The Beast
Any Russia-themed James Bond movies.
Music:
My computer will play CD's, but not very well. If anyone has
a good, portable music box, please bring it. I've got lots of
Rachmaninoff and Tchaikovsky.
Magazines:
I'm bringing a couple of those Surfer's Journals with the Russia/Sakhalin
article. If you have magazines you appear in, bring those also.
We may be pointing at wave photos to explain ourselves and what
we are looking for.
MONEY
The more the merrier. Bring it in cash or traveler's checks.
Preferably hard American currency. Put everything into new $100
and $50 bills. The outside world loves those $100 bills. The
world runs on American $100 bills; that's why the Treasury changed
them first.
Using
credit cards over there is risky, so bring cash. The more we
have, the more helicopter time we'll have. The less problems
we'll have.
I
don't know what our other expenses will be: food, lodging in
Petropavlovsk, bribes, tips, transportation, fishing licenses,
weapons, ammunition.
So
Just Bring Dough.
THAT'S
IT
That's all I can think of for now.
Any
questions, send me an e-mail at:
TheBenM@AOL.com
Ben,
Lots
of things competing for my time lately but I certainly wouldn't
want to give you the false satisfaction of thinking that I didn't
respond to your last e-mail because I actually agreed with you.
I mean, c'mon, nobody ever agrees with you, right? Anyway, and
just for fun, here are my replies to your replies:
Original
Subject: RE: Your Journal on Sacklunch
Original Sender: TheBenM@aol.com
Original Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:09:58 -0500
Original
Message follows...
In
a message dated 6/29/2001 4:05:05 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
wollan@citlink.net writes:
Have
you forgotten that Jeff hacked all the Aggroville e-mail addresses
for his spam mailing? >
ARE
YOU SURE? IS JEFF COMPUTER SAVVY ENOUGH TO DO THAT? I DOUBT
IT. WOULD YOU NOW HOW TO DO THAT?
Maybe
"hack" was too technical a word. What he actually did was copy
each Aggrovillians' e-mail address from all of those posters
who displayed them. Easiest "hack" in the world. Even you could
do it.
Maybe
Frank tried to gain control of the contest, maybe not.
APPARENTLY
HE TRIED TO GO BEHIND JEFF'S BACK TO GET CONTROL. IF IT WERE
THE WILD WEST, HE'D HAVE A BULLET IN HIS HEAD.
Apparently???
In my book, Frank's innocent until proven guilty with real facts.
I
imagine there are two sides to that story so I won't offer any
opinion. Except for poking a little inside fun at Jeff with
the wipeout shot on the Aggroville header (uncaptioned, by the
way), I've never seen any indication of Frank personally using
his website to slam Jeff.
HE
USES IT INDIRECTLY BY ALLOWING OTHERS TO SLAM JEFF.
Hey,
EVERYBODY gets slammed on Aggroville, or haven't you noticed?
.....especially some guy named Ben.
I'D
LIKE TO SEE ONE OF THE SANTA CRUZ LOUDMOUTH CONTINGENT RUN THAT
CONTEST. IT WOULD BE A COMPLETE CLUSTER FUCK. JEFF AND HIS WIFE
WORK HARD ON THAT THING AND ALL HE GETS IS A BUNCH OF CRAP,
MOSTLY FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
Well
what do you know, I actually completely and totally agree with
you on this point!
You're
unjustifiably trivializing Frank's accomplishments in this area.
WELL
I'M IN IDAHO SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON >
So,
"screw him" was an appropriate response?
NO.
The
operative words here are, "...I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON."
Damn, this is almost as much fun as the 'ville.
HE'S
JUST A HUMAN BEING DOING THEBEST HE CAN. HE DOESN'T HAVE THAT
BIG OF AN EGO, HE'S JUST TRYING TO BE A MAN. HAVE YOU EVER MET
HIM?
Yes,
I have met him. In person, he comes off as humble but I think
locking-in a place in Mavs' history is extremely important to
Jeff (an obsession maybe?), although he would probably never
be one to admit it. It another decade, after a half dozen newly
discovered big wave spots take the spotlight, nobody will give
a shit about the history of Mavs anyway. Jeff's website is all
done in the third person (like the "Who is Jeff Clark?" section),
almost as a deliberate attempt to deflect the ego away from
himself. Well, people can see right through that and, after
all, Jeff's the one who ultimately must approve all of the content
before it goes up. In any case, if I were him, I'd fire the
guy who wrote all that shit.
I
DONT LIKE CONSPIRACY THEORIES OR CONSPIRACY THEORISTS. THE XXL
VOTE WAS FAIR. >
I
THOUGHT FLEA SHOULD WIN, TOO. BUT PARSONS WAS 100 MILES OUT
TO SEA RIDING WAVES AS BIG AS FLEA FOR THE FIRST TIME AT A PLACE
NO ONE HAD EVER SURFED. I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A TIE I'M
WORKING ON AN ONLINE VIDEO AWARDS FOR SWELL RIGHT NOW. WE'RE
GOING TO LET THE PEOPLE VOTE THIS TIME AND DECIDE WHICH WAVE
WAS MORE WORTHY.
Wow,
did you miss the whole point on this one! Yes, the vote WAS
fair. Read on... Problem was that the judges only saw what Swell
wanted them to see. Frank's shot of Noah's wave would have easily
measured higher than Parsons' wave. However, Swell said they
couldn't use that shot because the bottom of the trough was
obscured by a wave in the foreground. I've got news for you,
even if you measured that shot from the top of the foreground
wave and completely ignored the part of the wave that was hidden,
it still would have measured more than 66 feet! So, the real
reason Swell couldn't use that shot is because they knew that
it was a serious potential a winner. Frank caught it right at
the brief moment when the wave was jacked all the way up - probably
a full 10 feet higher than the photo actually used in the judging.
If I were a judge and had to make my decision based on the finalist
photos that were provided, I would have voted for Parsons wave
too. Flea's wave was simply not tall enough and it was a "tallest
wave" contest. Also, I am in no way trying to trivialize the
Cortes expedition - it was an awesome endeavour. Secretly, maybe
I'm even glad Parsons' wave won. Morally, I'm outraged. Enter
politics & big bucks. Exit ethics.
JEFF
SURFS THE PLACE WELL. FRANK PUTTS AROUND ON A JET SKI. I THINK
THERE LIES THE RUB. >
JAY
SURFS THE PLACE. FRANK JUST EXPLOITS IT. > >
Now
I feel better. >
No
you don't. ha, ha >
YES,
I DO.
Sounds
to me like, from your perspective, one has to actually surf
Mavs in order to legitimately make money off the place, otherwise
it's just exploitation. Hmmm, maybe you better give back the
checks for those Mavs articles you wrote, Ben. Can't have any
exploitation, ya know. Anyway, I've enjoyed the banter, it's
been fun.....
Ben